Hunting Dog Training, Gun Dog Puppies, and Discussion, Post We dock our puppies tails to the correct show length. The opposition to tail docking in dogs kept growing from there. Next litter, I will leave 60% of the tail. In cases where this surgery is required due to medical reasons, dogs receive analgesia and general anesthesia as if it were a major intervention. The owner got her from a breeder in Kansas and said they they tend to cut them longer "out there" compared to the East Coast. As time has gone by the poodle has become less of a retriever and more of a companion Zuckerberg Breaks Silence, Give Reasons For Downtime of Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram on Faulty Configuration. We always dock those tails so that we get some white at the tip. They did not use any pain meds on my boys and they were 1 day old babies. Reproduction of photos without express written Covering the privates as mentioned by Andy is a good check on length. by Ruffshooter Wed May 13, 2009 7:10 am, Post In one litter I had, the tails on the 3 day old pups ranged from 2.5 to 3 inches. Did you ever hear the tale about Ole and Leena sorry couldn't resist. Reproduction of photos without express written i have no qualms about docking tails or dewclaws, but if you think those newborn pups dont feel it when you cut or twist, you are mistaken. Have gone to several neonatal and Repro vet seminars, and this is how they suggest docking tails and dew claws. by Prairie Hunter Fri May 15, 2009 10:40 pm, Post A study observing 50 dogs saw the animals shrieking and whimpering for 30 minutes during tail cutting, indicating pain (10). When running, turning and making certain movements, a dog needs the tail, which acts as the helm of the ship.. Often the skin dies and the bone is exposed to infection and then the tail must be docked later. If you pull them down they should be a little longer than their privates. long. Cried for a minute or so. But nowadays, this tradition is considered inconvenient for the animal by animal lovers, is not recommended by veterinarians, and is generally frowned upon in the veterinary field. it did not hamper the dogs swimming and also so that the dogs tail pom-pon could be seen above the line of the water even All pictures and graphics (unless otherwise stated) are of my It also affects a dog's communication with humans. While there's very little research in exactly how much pain dog tail docking causes to canines specifically and due to dropping popularity of this procedure, we're unlikely to see any studies there are some papers suggesting increased stress in dogs due to rise in cortisol and increased heart rate (2). like it is now in most of the other countries. In 1989, Australian Veterinary Association carried out a survey where 86% of responses were against dog tail docking, calling the process as barbaric and pointless (7). by DGFavor Wed May 13, 2009 10:16 am, Post Very little bleeding on the dews and absolutely none on the tails. Write CSS OR LESS and hit save. Veterinarians today still say they sometimes have to dock a dog's tail simply because they can do it better and more humanely (8). The Goldendoodle dog breed is a loving dog who makes friends with almost everyone he meets. For example, children may be afraid of dogs without a tail because they associate a tail wagging movement with the animal being happy, and the absence of it might be interpreted as the animal being angry. A lot of vets do Boxers and others and that is whay they cut them so short. It is amazing how just a little more or less changes the length when full grown. Moreover, research with other animals with docked tails do in fact show pain and suffering. to have a puppy with a natural tail and are willing to send us a deposit on a puppy before the litter is born then we willbe Building Skill, Capacity and Technical expertise GROHE Inaugurates First GIVE Academy to Train Students to Become Installers Nigeria. Rights to postmy articles on other sites MUST be expressly given and they MUST be Any surgical procedure performed on dogs should guarantee the absence of pain, but this isn't always the case with tail docking. Easier to see the tail in the field, and looks nice when the dog is running. There is no need of a stitch or gel doing it this way. 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I thought that seemed a little long, but I have seen lots of his dogs, and liked the length of their tails. to their sites. by BigShooter Wed May 13, 2009 2:25 pm, Post All pictures and graphics (unless otherwise stated) are of my NASDC 3xNGDC-RU FC AFC Gertrudes Blue Brandi JH (Brandi), I have heard my terrier friends talking about the clamp and twist method, never tried it though, sounds good. am putting our feelings as breeders here for people to see and know what to expect when getting one of our puppies. I personally prefer a docked tail but I have enjoyed some natural tails as long as they do not curl over Then of course then there is preference. In 1992, a similar questionnaire was done by UK British Small Animal Veterinary Association, and among 3,300 veterinarians that were asked, 92% agreed with banning tail docking (7). I am sorry I have to post this but I am finding my articles being stolen if the dog was pretty much underwater. We've simply called it the "Tootsie Roll" and are always amused when it wags quickly. Also when a tail is docked too short when the Pull the skin towards the butt, then cut (vets typically use a surgical scissors), pull the skin back and apply a stitch or you could try EMT gel. by ACooper Thu Jun 11, 2009 6:26 am, Post by 3Britts Wed May 13, 2009 7:15 am, Post My vet does it the same way as Scott. In fact as stated there is no pain when docking a 2 day old pup. All organizations are being advised to eliminate tail amputation in dogs and all relevant recommendations from their breed/racial standards. by remmy Thu Jun 11, 2009 5:33 am, Post Try being a groomer and having I've heard of people being able to feel the vertebrae of 3 day old GSP puppies. 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Canines without a tail are at a social disadvantage, and it has been studied that they can exhibit compensatory behaviors, such as the movement of their rear and being able to generate misunderstanding with other animals of the same breed. I use hemostats and clamp on the line and twist off the end of tail and leave clamped on while I use curved mosquito hemostats to pop off the dew claws. I consulted an experienced breeder friend of mine when I had my 1st litter. by BigShooter Wed May 13, 2009 8:50 am, Post My husband on the other hand does not like natural tails at all. cosmetic and some are functional. As Thumper says "If you can't say muffin nice, don't say nuffin at all! Thank you. and being placed on other peoples sites. The poodle breed has commonly always had its tail docked throughout history. poodle still has quite a lot of tail and they are certainly wagging them and showing how happy they are. by vzkennels Wed May 13, 2009 2:22 pm, Post by BigShooter Wed May 13, 2009 9:54 am, Post Serving as continuity of the dog's spine, their tail is composed of vertebrae and other important tissues to keep the animals balance (17). by BigShooter Wed May 13, 2009 9:40 am, Post Someone probably knew that poodles' tails are docked (cut shorter thannatural) but didn't know that they shouldn't be cut so short as a Rottie'stail. can get broken easily from this and cause problems for the dogs. I miss you both greatly. Pretty comon problem when you trust a vet to do it right. I used to cut, snip, stitch, glue, and even use a soldering iron to cauterize, and every one had a bald tip. 6xCH, 2xRU CH FC Alpenblick's Southern Bell. Because it's a tradition? We normally had one hospital bay full of kids mostly from the ghettos getting circumsized while I was in the Air Force. As far as dew claw removal goes, we strongly believe they should be removed on all dogs. TOP #25: Debunking 8 Common Homemade Dog Food Diet Myths, TOP #26: Who Benefits from Homemade Dog Food the Most. There are folks out this way that I don't even know why they bother nipping the tip of the tail off at all they leave 'em so ridiculously long. I also agree that a long tail that is not carried well looks worse that a little shorter one. The longer tails look nice if they are held high but have little to do with finding birds unless you keep it wet so the dog knows which way the wind is blowing. I prefer doing them that early as the older they get the more you cause pain for the puppies puppies. by snips Wed May 13, 2009 9:22 am, Post own design. She hasnt had any unsupervised contact with uncastrated male dogs. by kerplunk105 Wed May 13, 2009 9:49 am, Post I use them for the dew claws also and those might bleed a few drops so you can use a steptic pencil or the powder if you want though not really needed. 3/5ths and the other is half? Up here in the briars and blow downs, Every year I see many long tail dogs bloody and some broken. I think Leena's tail is too short. When we dotails at birth there is little to no blood at all and the puppies hardly make any noise by M1Tanker Wed May 13, 2009 7:21 am, Post It's a mix of two purebreds that have similarities in appearance but have two completely different Are you planning on adopting a mixed dog breed but not quite sure what to pick? The tail was docked so that by ACooper Wed May 13, 2009 7:49 am, Post Its first intention was to protect hunting dogs because their tail made them more vulnerable to prey or adversary attacks (2). by Ricky Ticky Shorthairs Fri May 15, 2009 12:10 pm, Post Site designed andmaintained by Keisha of ARPEGGIO Poodles. The 2020 TopDogTips.com. I look at brits, weims, gwp,,,, they never seem to have this discussion and there dogs are all pretty even in length,,, but the gsp are all over the board. Those surgeries gave rise to perceived breed standards that still exist today, as well as to purely aesthetic criteria. Nothing you can do about it now but the swtandard in the book is probably what you have. It was not until the early 19th century that the first critical voices appeared (5). We do them ourselves at birth to 3 days of age. by ACooper Thu May 14, 2009 6:37 am, Post Some of the tails came out a little longer than I had wanted, but like I said, I would rather have them a little too long than too short. The best part of training is seeing the light come on in your little prot'eg'e. PLEASE TAKE NOTE THAT I NO LONGER BREED POODLES! information does so attheir own risk. Nevertheless, most vets are raising awareness against this surgery let's see why. My vet cuts each pup where I say, then if messed up it is my fault. Also, procedures not performed by a qualified veterinarian (such as in shelters or breeders) increase the risk of complications during and after the practice. Learn more about living with this fairly new designer breed! Typical of a Vet job that I even tried once. by PrairieGoat Thu May 14, 2009 7:07 pm, Post Note the difference in length between the two dogs in my avatar photo and snip's. We absolutely do NOT dock the tails to short nubs nor will we if asked All rights reserved. Sure they can be fixed but the pain the dog gets from the damage maybe 5 times a year?, is worse than docking the tails once, not to mention the potential infections and other problems that can manifest after repeated damage. and people (atleast here in the USA) are USED to seeing a poodle with a docked tail and most people prefer it that way. And believe me they weren't jumping for joy for at least a week. Will you PM me a few more details about the method of dew claw removal? after being groomed because their groomer has forgotten to clip the dew claw nails and the nails have grown so long and are Complications were observed after this surgery (14, 15). As I recall after they prohibited docking in Sweden, by 1991 the rate of injury to non-shortened tails had reached 51%. In addition, there may also be problems with healing, leaving the wound at risk of continuous opening. by Hotpepper Wed May 13, 2009 7:43 am, Post It must be shortened in some of these animals, and taken off altogether in others. "Next time" is rightthe vet wouldn't let me on the exam room. He told me he leaves 70% of the tail. You have to REALLY watch to be sure the dog does not reinjure that tail in the mean time by trying to lick it or by wagging it against a wall or table when he or she is happy to see you come home. I have seen tails with skin completely ripped off and bone exposed for more than 5 inches. Some shelters and breeders will do this procedure anyway, but they don't have good enough training or tools. by dog dr Wed May 13, 2009 9:58 am, Post Families want Domesticated dogs today are much better today than 10,000 years ago at behaving the way humans wish for them to behave. We go a hair under half. 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